then everybody (mostly 3zc members) get on their nuts about it and talks about them as if they are the greatest company ever...well, they shouldn't have fucked up in the first place...reminds me of the exact OPPOSITE of Deming's Method...where Deming goes into Japan, and tells them to solve the quality problem, it's much easier then fixing the screw-ups you get after you manufacture something...and Toyota goes on to be the biggest and most successful car company...obviously Z1 can't see this